tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post6837183480011503333..comments2024-03-07T18:07:32.939+01:00Comments on That grumpy BSD guy: The Problem Isn't Email, It's Microsoft ExchangePeter N. M. Hansteenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12852746787621165833noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-55832855273849663462017-04-29T17:48:54.231+02:002017-04-29T17:48:54.231+02:00@Anonymous from July 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM:
The auth...@Anonymous from July 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM:<br />The author just tries to raise awareness of wrongly implemented e-mail features. If you do not care and you want to keep using whatever works, fine. But do not undermine other people's work just because you find no value in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-28255844848855096922013-07-17T14:21:32.358+02:002013-07-17T14:21:32.358+02:00Fuck man, get a life.
I send and receive email all...Fuck man, get a life.<br />I send and receive email all the time on my laptop via micorsoft outlook, I simply organise my mails in to folders. Done, what else do you want. If I had my way I would check email only once a week to concentrate my time on the stuff that really matters - having a life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-73486920095874654932013-01-17T23:48:00.697+01:002013-01-17T23:48:00.697+01:00The owners of company just get what they deserve.
...The owners of company just get what they deserve.<br /><br />But OTHERS like my clients do have problems like<br /><br />- they send a message to M$ mail software victims<br />- they are send properly with M$ server response being OK<br />- M$ server then delete the message, or write 5 times, or delay a week or more funny!! gives a bounce that message cannot be delivered and it will try for some days.<br /><br />Cannot be delivered WITHIN the mail server.<br /><br />That's funny but fortunately my clients are not idiots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-58265947571390340052013-01-03T11:53:48.655+01:002013-01-03T11:53:48.655+01:00Thanks a lot on this ideas and information..Thanks a lot on this ideas and information..Rory Welchhttp://arcmail.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-86315746634283131812011-05-18T00:43:09.056+02:002011-05-18T00:43:09.056+02:00You forgot one thing: Outlook does not provide a c...You forgot one thing: Outlook does not provide a clickable email address of the sender on the visible header. So, people reply to an old message to create a new one... which then gets attached to another thread on every other email client. Some clever people remove the re: prefix and the original subject thinking their reply is in fact a new message. Outlook broke the good old threading and made users dumber than ever.Alberto Pimentahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16857159333724896270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-7127465605849370562011-03-11T10:22:49.890+01:002011-03-11T10:22:49.890+01:00Great stuff!Great stuff!./martijnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812019825231716230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-82640064193212759832011-03-11T03:24:18.932+01:002011-03-11T03:24:18.932+01:00Haven't you ever sat with your heart in your m...Haven't you ever sat with your heart in your mouth waiting to see if Exchange will restart? Now that is something I don't miss at all. It did get better over time but those days will not be forgotten by anyone who lived through them.Eats Wombatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03560395946871420868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-64424283243715721542011-03-11T00:07:01.761+01:002011-03-11T00:07:01.761+01:00Yes. And the NHS admin loves it.Yes. And the NHS admin loves it.Adrian Midgleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201348867263167871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-8618017917568156042011-03-07T09:10:48.952+01:002011-03-07T09:10:48.952+01:00I've used Zimbra 6 in an organization were we ...I've used Zimbra 6 in an organization were we previously did not have any "groupware". Users normally used Thunderbird and our server ran a very old and not maintained qmail instance. Users loved the web interface and 90% used it. The last 10% stuck with Thunderbird out of old habit which worked just as well, contacts and other features were availible over IMAP. We used the free Open Source edition and thus did not have clustering and some of the more fancy functionality, still we had a backup routine and a standby server ready to take over at a moments notice.<br />On a note about Re: Sv: and so on "feature" of MS email clients. Re: is not a short for "Reply" as MS seems to think. As http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RE_(e-mail) states:<br />re (the ablative of res 'thing') has been used in English since the 18th century to mean 'in the matter of', 'referring to', or 'about'. In business letters and memoranda, "Re:" may be used instead of "Subject:" to set off the topic.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00651457505109376432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-59345461263643614802011-03-03T00:09:22.433+01:002011-03-03T00:09:22.433+01:00As a full-time Linux (and occasional Solaris) admi...As a full-time Linux (and occasional Solaris) admin, I offer my deepest condolences on your unwillingness to learn a mail client in the year 2011. Except not, because, I rarely use it, and when I do it's not really that big of a deal.<br /><br />Alternatively: I have a coworker who uses alpine without a problem with my $EMPLOYER's exchange implementation.<br /><br />Remember that the technical backend details don't matter to the people making the decisions -- the reason companies are in love with platforms like Exchange is that they offer all in one email and calendaring platforms that work for the *majority of users*<br /><br />Zimbra has come a long way since I last saw it, though. I've even heard of some places implementing it in place of exchange... hopefully it gains some traction.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08601102906312628943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-72308521532637750292011-03-02T09:55:13.896+01:002011-03-02T09:55:13.896+01:00Right. So, now that we have learned that Exchange ...Right. So, now that we have learned that Exchange is no good, it would be interesting to have a suggestion for a practical replacement offering email, calendaring, meeting scheduling, addess books, to-do lists, etc..<br /><br />Oh, and it would have to be supported by good backup software allowing single mail restorations.StephaneBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17214888955579777176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-52939668493253223962011-03-02T04:07:51.904+01:002011-03-02T04:07:51.904+01:00Spot on... At a previous job, we did anti-spam fil...Spot on... At a previous job, we did anti-spam filtering for many many clients. We strived to ensure our product respected RFC's. We constantly got support requests from clients who were having messages "vanish" between their internal Exchange server and our gateway device. While we were processing an incoming message (after DATA), we would periodically issue a "250-" (note the dash) until the message was processed an accepted. The dash indicates that "I'm not done yet, wait for more". But Exchange sees "250" and says beauty, RSET and send another message. At this stage, we see the RSET and abandon the original message (as the RSET tells us to do), while Exchange thinks the message is delivered...!fukawi2https://www.blogger.com/profile/07718662161833834916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-62164310266836744262011-03-01T19:09:07.267+01:002011-03-01T19:09:07.267+01:00Awesome article. Very enlightening.Awesome article. Very enlightening.ParadoxGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236803901769389461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-58016747400515337552011-03-01T18:51:59.675+01:002011-03-01T18:51:59.675+01:00Exchange Jet store corruption. Exchange integrity ...Exchange Jet store corruption. Exchange integrity checks that take an entire weekend. Outlook RTF format emails resulting in winmail.dat. Multiple receipts for an email due to poor line conditions when using POP3. Outlook PST corruption when over 2GB in size. Headers?<br /><br />The list goes on and on. Yet corporates dance to Microsoft's tune and keep on falling down. The rest of us have to pick up the pieces.Robbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704320069544821192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-54538479894163077582011-03-01T18:22:34.320+01:002011-03-01T18:22:34.320+01:00Good news: Eudora lives on as Eudora OSE, Thunderb...Good news: Eudora lives on as <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Eudora_OSE" rel="nofollow">Eudora OSE</a>, Thunderbird with a mostly Eudora interface. Something nice for folks who insist on Eudora.<br /><br />And for the most part, email isn't an issue. I run postfix, postgrey and MailScanner to keep the miscreants out, and it works pretty well. About the only time we have issues is if I do something dumb, like not restarting postfix when I'm done working on someone's mailbox.<br /><br />About a 100 users, maybe a few more.I R A Darth Aggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03580296517949279444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-6931649250676607482011-03-01T17:11:47.281+01:002011-03-01T17:11:47.281+01:00You forget two things:
1, The mail address separa...You forget two things:<br /><br />1, The mail address separator is ";" not ","<br />2, The quoted mail contains names, NOT EMAILS!<br /><br />So if you have a forwarded or quoted (as in top posted mail) you don't have the email addresses of the participants, how do you know if $person is external or internal to your company?<br /><br />I also agree 100% with what you're saying. There are a lot of sever issues with Exchange as well when it comes to scalability but the integrated calendar and address book is good, it's actually hard to beat... =Ppomachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10262542097790585477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-62510674488482978652011-03-01T16:45:27.695+01:002011-03-01T16:45:27.695+01:00Because it fouls the order in which people normall...Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.<br /><br />> Why is top-posting such a bad thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-73006302091898153242011-03-01T02:11:59.045+01:002011-03-01T02:11:59.045+01:00I agree 101% with your analysis. Properly impleme...I agree 101% with your analysis. Properly implemented and properly used e-mail, done the "old fashioned" way, is simple, effective, productive, and efficient.<br /><br />I can't believe though that you got suckered into using M$ software even if your client was an all-M$ shop. Maybe my priorities are different, but I'd have walked in with my macbook and told them to give me IMAP access to their corporate mail, or to use paper to communicate with me.robohackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10650353412089979434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-40913538754703518062011-02-28T23:41:45.142+01:002011-02-28T23:41:45.142+01:00your rant is as ephemeral as chaff to the wind. Ca...your rant is as ephemeral as chaff to the wind. Can't believe I wasted my time reading it.Tungsaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17479890909822906570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-86098389214651228202011-02-28T12:15:11.736+01:002011-02-28T12:15:11.736+01:00Wonderful post, Peter. As someone who has had to &...Wonderful post, Peter. As someone who has had to "transition" to Outlook from Eudora and Apple Mail the inability to quote in-line and edit what is quoted is pure frustration. I have a middle-management civil servant friend who is always complaining about managing his time with the volume of email he reads -- I had never considered it may be due to his mail client, but you may be onto something.Damonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213865811975706668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8616610987649128333.post-77280680452173344682011-02-28T05:53:48.620+01:002011-02-28T05:53:48.620+01:00Sysadmins that deal with ISP scale mail clusters w...Sysadmins that deal with ISP scale mail clusters will tell you that the problems run even down to inconsistent and non-standard SMTP implementation. Not like that should be hard to do but their attempts to make it a one size fits all client led to enhancements that could gum up strict RFC compliant servers.Garphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295116150678730079noreply@blogger.com